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After internal dialogues revealed that the team was feeling a bit “strategically rudderless,�� hosts Mike Doran and Peter Rough sit together to launch a new thesis for Counterbalance. Together they explain what’s wrong with foreign policy “experts�� today and why an interest-based foreign policy is needed over the dominant, but flawed, values-based outlook of today’s elites. They’re calling this new school of thought “real-realism.��

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 About Counterbalance:

Counterbalance is a ����� podcast hosted by Senior Fellows Michael Doran and Peter Rough. As America's unipolar moment fades, Rough and Doran explore the emerging global order.